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Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby Handcannon7 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:28 am

Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength Routine:

*note the dip/chin isnt in the original program

Here is a routine from Mark Rippetoe’s book called “Starting Strength”. You can buy the book at www.startingstrength.com. It includes endless useful info that all beginners should learn. But as for the program he suggests, his clients that he gives it to on AVERAGE gain 30-40 pounds in about 6 months or so which is amazing gains.

The program is as follows:

You alternate Workout A and Workout B every other day, 3 times a week. So you could either do Mon, Wed, Fri or Tues, Thurs. and Sat. Depending on what works best for you.

Example:

Week 1:

Monday - Workout A
Wednesday -Workout B
Friday - Workout A

Week 2:

Monday - Workout B
Wednesday - Workout A
Friday - Workout B

Etc.

For the actual workouts read below:

Note: This doesn’t include warm-up sets

**Means this is OPTIONAL**

Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift
**2x8 Dips (if you cant do these or no assist machine then do Decline Dumbbell Bench Press with your hands Facing each other)

Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Standing military press
3x5 Pendlay or Bent Rows (or power cleans)
**2x8 Chin-ups (recommended mainly if doing the cleans)

Assistance work:

Most people cant get it through there head that compound lifts also work your arms Plenty and always Insist on direct arm work. As quoted by Madcow2, “Don't **** with this. Every bodybuilder seems to have Attention Deficit Disorder and an overwhelming desire to customize everything.” If you are one of these people note that you have the option of doing the dips and chins which give PLENTY of arm work. Abdominal work is fine to do also if needed.

I recommend weighted decline sit-ups and/or Hanging Leg Raises at 2x8-10.

Weight:

As for the weight, make sure that you use the SAME weight throughout the sets. For example if I do the first set if Squats with 200lbs then I do the other 2 sets of squats with 200lbs.

Every week make it a goal to increase each of your lifts by 2.5%. Meaning if I lifted 100lbs for my Bench Week 1 then Week 2 I would try for 102.5lbs. If I did 200lb Squats Week 1 I would try for 205lbs in Week 2. Sometimes you will be able to do more but don’t mess with your form just to lift more.

Warm-up Sets:

Before all your working sets it is best to do a few warm-up sets. Specifically for your first lift. You don’t have to do the whole thing for the other lifts but definitely the first.

What you do is you ramp your weight up to your working sets.

For example:

2x5xbar (sets x reps x weight)
1x5x85
1x3x125
1x2x155

And the working set weight would be 175.

If you are lifting your working sets under 150 I would cut out the 3rd warmup set of 1x5 because it wont be needed.

The Lifts:

**Used references and quotes from Madcow2 and Bodybuilding.com**

Barbell Squat: These should be full range Olympic style squats. Use the full range of your body - that means as low as you can go which for almost everyone is past parallel. If the top of your thighs aren't at least parallel it's for sh!t. If you think this is bad for your knees going low, you and whoever told you that are relying on an old wives tale. Anyone who knows the human body will tell you that below parallel is MUCH safer on the knees whereas parallel and above put all the sheer right on them and doesn’t allow proper transfer of the load to the rest of your body (this is how your body was designed).

Rest a barbell on the upper portion of your back, not your neck. Firmly grip the bar with your hands almost twice your shoulder width apart. Position your feet about shoulder width apart and your toes should be pointing just a little outward with your knees in the same direction. Keep your back as straight as possible and your chin up, bend your knees and slowly lower your hips straight down until your THIGHS ARE AT LEAST PARALLEL TO THE FLOOR. Once you reach the bottom position, press the weight up back to the starting position.

Video: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2003/barbellsquat.wvx

To be honest ATG (Ass to the Grass) squats work the best IMO. What you do is you go ALL the way down until your hamstrings touch your calves and keep the same Olympic squat form.

Barbell Deadlift: Each rep is deweighted fully on the floor. No touch and go. This is called the 'dead'lift because the weight is 'dead' on the ground. You can touch and go warm ups but that's it.

This is a very complicated exercise so here is bodybuilding.com’s detailed instructions on this lift.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exer...rbell+Deadlift

Video: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2003...ontofknees.wvx

Flat Barbell Bench Press: Lie on a flat bench and firmly position your feet flat on the floor a little more than shoulder width apart. Keep your back flat on the bench! Using a grip broader than shoulder width, hold the barbell above your body, then lower slowly to the middle of your chest. Without bouncing the weight off your chest, drive the barbell up over the middle of your chest until your arms are straight and your elbows are locked. Lower the bar down slowly.

Video: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2003...essideview.wvx

Standing Barbell Military Press: Standing overhead presses. Supporting weight overhead is a fundamental exercise and stimulates the whole body.
Raise barbell to your chest with your hands shoulder width apart. Lock your legs and hips. Keep your elbows in, slightly under your bar. Press bar to arm's length overhead. Lower to your upper chest or chin (depending on what is comfortable).

Bent Barbell Row: Raise barbell to your chest with your hands shoulder width apart. Lock your legs and hips. Keep your elbows in, slightly under your bar. Press bar to arm's length overhead. Lower to your upper chest or chin (depending on what is comfortable).

Video: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2003...barbellrow.wvx

You could also do Pendlay Rows which IMO are also better. This illustration below is a great demonstration for them (thanks for the pic Kethnaab!) :
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/at...7&d=1140759947

Power Clean: This is also a very complicated exercise so here is bodybuilding.com’s detailed instructions on this lift.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exer...me=Power+Clean

Video: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/vide...powerclean.wvx

Chin-Up: Hold the chin-up bar with a supinated grip (palms facing you) with your hands about 6 to 8 inches apart. Pull yourself up and try to touch either your chin or upper chest to the bar. Return slowly to the starting position. Do NOT swing back and forth! Using this grip works more of your biceps than your back or lats.

Video: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/videos/2006/chinup.wvx

Dip: Using the parallel bars, grip the handles and push yourself up to your starting position. With elbows close to body and hips straight, lower body until shoulders are slightly stretched. Push body up in same posture and repeat. You can bend and cross your legs or keep them straight.

Video: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/vide...estversion.wvx

The Diet:

If you are bulking, which is what people usually do on this program, you need to be eating like there is no tomorrow. 3000-4000 calories a day. Make sure you get 1 to 2 x your bodyweight in protein (in grams) and more than that in carbs. Mark Rippetoe also suggests that you drink up to a gallon of milk a day and plenty of water.

Your bulk could be clean but its hard to do so. I suggest just going all out and getting any protein you can get your hands on. For example lean grilled chicken and egg whites is best but if you want to gain that muscle fast then ground beef, steaks, whole eggs, cheeses etc is great. Eat a lot of oats, pasta, wheat bread, yogurt, cottage cheese, tuna, etc.

Make sure you get a huge breakfast. Mark recommends 4 huge meals a day with breakfast being the largest. Make sure all your meals have plenty of both carbs and protein! Also look into getting a PWO shake for post workout to get some carbs DIRECTLY into your system when your done lifting. Then an hour later eat a meal. Its also good to eat a snack before bed. Just remember to get big you need to eat big because eating is 90% of your muscle gains.

Good luck and above all have FUN!

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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby Handcannon7 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:31 am

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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby hypertrophy » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:05 pm

Brown Broski wrote:
Liam wrote:I have done both of these routines, and I must say they are great especially for beginners who should NOT start out with an advanced routine, no matter how tempting it is. I know from experience. I literally wasted half a year of lifting (also not dieting had a lot to do with it as well lol).

strong this.

Just out of curiosity why is Stronglifts 5x5 (Mehdi's) exempt from this list.
I am currently doing it and loving it. Especially considering it instructs you when to drop
down to 3x5 training and when to eventually switch over to madcows 5x5.
Just curious thanks


I've never done SL 5x5, it scares me with the amount of volume and no ramping, but, this is not handcannon's post, just a quote from someone else so I guess he didn't wasnt to change anything
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby hypertrophy » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:34 am

Brown Broski wrote:
m4ttarama wrote:
I've never done SL 5x5, it scares me with the amount of volume and no ramping, but, this is not handcannon's post, just a quote from someone else so I guess he didn't wasnt to change anything

I am aware that it was quoted from someplace else, but IMO
SS/SL --> Madcows
Should be the progression, keep in mind SL informs you after 2 stalls, you switch down to 3x5 which basically turns the program into SS.

That's cool I never knew that part about SL. I'd be more willing to suggest it to people now that I know that. Thanks
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby Gonzalo » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:03 pm

Hey guys , well i think im a beginner been in the gym for about a year and a half or two. Im 17 and weight under 120lbs , (only now i got a diet plan running). I was doing a 4 day split (Doug's Mass Building routine). After looking at the forum for a bit, I stumbled on to here. Should I be doing the SS? Im looking to gain some serious mass will it help me on that? Also I have never done cleans, or deadlifts, and my squats are not the best :/ Help?
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby hypertrophy » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:47 pm

Gonzalo wrote:Hey guys , well i think im a beginner been in the gym for about a year and a half or two. Im 17 and weight under 120lbs , (only now i got a diet plan running). I was doing a 4 day split (Doug's Mass Building routine). After looking at the forum for a bit, I stumbled on to here. Should I be doing the SS? Im looking to gain some serious mass will it help me on that? Also I have never done cleans, or deadlifts, and my squats are not the best :/ Help?

I'd replace the cleans with rows. If your squats are not the best you should do SS, with proper nutrition a person can almost ALWAYS get to at least a 275 squat on SS.
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby Gonzalo » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:46 pm

But will i gain mass with it or is it just a strenght workout?
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby hypertrophy » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:48 pm

Gonzalo wrote:But will i gain mass with it or is it just a strenght workout?

You will gain mass with it if you make sure to eat over maintenance.
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby Sushi » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:05 pm

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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby HarderStylezz » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:00 am

might get on madcows after summer hols. good read.
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby hypertrophy » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:17 pm

Jacob15728 wrote:You might want to take a look at your bent over row instructions


It's not his post so I'd advise against him making any changes. We can discuss bent over row alternatives in here just as easy though.
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby max94 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:22 pm

Hey, I'm quite new to working out (5 months). Started off with an advanced workout routine (split) which I regret.

I'm going to either start SS 3x5 or SL 5x5 on Monday. Which do you guys think I should start off with? (Currently 165 lbs 13% BF and have neglected to do squats, rows or deadlifts)

Also can anyone explain to me how this switch over thing works? Like; after you do SS or SL for a certain amount of time you switch over to the other or you switch to Madcows...

Thanks.
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby cgrez33 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:03 pm

Either or works, stick to one as long as your making progress on it. When you stop making progress de-load and stay on the same program, after 2-3 de-loads switch to the next one.
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby max94 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:31 pm

Alright thanks, after researching it a bit more, I'm probably going to go with SS since I've heard SL is basically just a less successful spin off of it.
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Re: Beginningers Look here! SS/Madcows

Postby yucko22 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:52 pm

id consider my stats fairly strong for my weight, so im thinking of trying madcows after running starting strength for many different stints at a time

120 lb BW
205x4 Squat
245x3 Deadlift
125x3 Bench

what do you think Handcannon? im kind of tired of doing the squats and front squats 3 times a week so im considering madcows and actually dieting this time.
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